It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. . In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. It's surprising how much a musical selection can affect mourning. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. They were the small sacrifices. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. It means you dont orphan the kids. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. Robert Willard Knickerbocker, 72. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. Its a rather large part of the story. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? Probably a 911 button. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. I dont know the woman. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). Robert Knickerbocker first came into the eyes of the investigators when, upon arrival at the hospital to visit her children after the incident, Diane phoned him looking extremely calm. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, on August 7, 1955, to Danish and English American parents Wesley Linden and Willadene Frederickson. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. He was questioned, yes, but the police never had a reason to doubt him. College: SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. 6. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. As far as we know, Robert Knickerbocker, now in his 60s, is retired and living a good, simple life, in his hometown, Arizona, away from the prying eyes of the public. Your entry has exceeded the maximum character limit. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. Was that Annes fault as well? There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. Theres a lot to be said here, still. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. No excuse there. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. Wasnt it speculative on their part? For Downs, this was the last straw in a series of culminating disappointments in her life. Mind: Wrongful convicted. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? But I am more than willing to review any new info. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. Downs was denied parole in 2008 and 2010. Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. . I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. Not in this case. Help tell the story of your loved ones unique life. It may take up to 1 hour for your comment to appear on the website. We dont know. 132 records for Robert Knickerbocker. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. I would say so. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. Say Her Name - But Spell It Right - The Tale of Breonna Taylor, Scott Peterson Was not Entitled to a Perfect Trial, but he Was Entitled to a Fair One He Received Neither. As time went on, Diane became the prime suspect, especially after Robert and her ex-husband, Steve Downs, both told authorities that she owned a .22 caliber handgun, the same type which was used for the shooting of the children. I will not remove anything. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. A long long time ago. Sign up for service and obituary updates. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Resides in Phoenix, AZ. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Nothing came from Diane herself. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Mr. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. They would have tried to reopen the case. Dianes family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book. View property details and household demographic information related to income, investments, and interests. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. It goes on and on. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. Eventually, in early 1983, Knickerbocker told Downs that he was not going to leave his wife for her and that he did not want to be father to Downs children or any children, for that matter. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. Not even the gun. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice. The woman shot her children. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. The Dignity Memorial brand name is used to identify a network of licensed funeral, cremation and cemetery providers that include affiliates of Service Corporation International, 1929 Allen Parkway, Houston, Texas. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? 6. You didnt know that?? Hysteria. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. Past Addresses: Tucson AZ, Tucson AZ +2 more. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. On the night of May 19, 1983, Downs was driving with her three children. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. So move on. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. Read more: ABC News, ABC News (2), Salem News, Salem News (2), Oregon Live, The Washington Post, Murderpedia, Find Law. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. You can believe what you like. Robert calls Tucson, AZ, home. See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. Just a thought. And their plan worked. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? Authorities confirm former fugitive, Leticia Smith was extradited from Mexico to California. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? She was fighting back and they did not like it. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. 1. She had not fired a gun. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Imagine the ones there for years. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Phoenix, AZ 85006 Map . And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. And he grew up there. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. I think that the US system is barbaric Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. That makes no sense. Refine Your Search Results. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1955 and attended Moon Valley High School where she met and fell in love with her future husband, Steve. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. I followed the trial. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Christie was it though. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. He told the police that Diane had previously stalked him and had even seemed willing to kill his wife to have him all to herself. You read a few comments. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 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